using the obama metric. listen, i know this is stunning because you watch the democratic national convention and heard those numbers over and other own. over the same time period. >> here's where i got my facts. >> let me finish. >> go ahead. >> over the same time period, the same way that the obama campaign measures job growth bush created more jobs. that's a fact. private sector jobs. >> the 4.5 million jobs. >> what you are saying is. >> i'm saying the facts. >> where are they coming from bs.gov? >> labor department. >> page 47, line 12. >> okay. i'm glad you made up the numbers. i'm glad. >> january 28, january 2009 they lost -- >> do you understand everything the president says may not be accurate. they may have fudged the numbers. we can go over this over and over. >> let's go over it. >> larry, get out the number. the exact way -- >> you are cherly picking. >> i'm laying out the facts. >> if we are going to have a conversation about politics, let's talk about it. >> i happen to know these numbers. whe